i need help i am looking for a pve frost spec and how to reforge also
http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t121704-frost_dps_4_1_way_we_get/
Saturday, April 21, 2012
Trying Blood Tanking - at 85?
Hey all!
My guild is trying to put together a second raid group, and we're a little full on melee dps, so I was thinking of maybe trying out for the tanking role. Problem is, I've never tanked on a Death Knight. I love my frosty here, but I was thinking that at the very least I should give DK tanking a shot before trying to beg my way into having a spot for this girl.
However, the fact that I'm already 85 is highly intimidating. I know many people at this level will be wanting to go into pugs (even normal) wanting a tank who knows what s/he is doing. Is it even worth attempting at this level? I already talented my way into the Blood spec, and I'm still kind of looking around for tanking gear that would be appropriate to start out with, but I'm not even sure if the agony of being THAT newbie tank would be worth it or not.
Would it be a better idea to make an alt DK on another server and try out tanking that way? But then, how many levels would I have to level before I have a good feel of lvl 85 tanking? If I have to get all the way to lvl 85, it seems like I should just dive in headfirst with trying this out, right?
Sigh. I don't know. I need some advice. Anybody else ever made the plunge at end game level?
It's not too hard. I recently taught myself how to tank, so here's a little info on how it's been for me. I tank full 359/372 DPS gear, which has probably the same avoidance as entry-level raid gear. Overall, I found it a lot more difficult than my paladin because we have to choose between survivability (death strike) and threat (blood boil, heart strike, etc). Paladins, however, have their mastery 100% of the time even if they're AFK. As a paladin, you'll be mitigating at almost your highest potential even when you're not pressing any buttons. As a DK, if you stop death striking you are dead.
A few tips I have that help me stay alive:
Threat does not matter. With DRW and the glyph (which I don't use but you should), you won't be losing aggro unless you just stand there not pressing buttons or your DPS is stupid.
Don't waste runes on heart strike. Your threat will be fine, and you'll want to stay alive. Death runes should go to death strike, frost and unholy should go to death strike, and blood should go to rune tap, then I guess heart strike, and then blood tap for more death runes for death strike.
Use cooldowns. I'm pretty sure you have more than every other class. "But what about emergencies!!!" you say? If you hit cooldowns, you won't have an emergency. In a heroic, if you're about to pull a big group without enough CC, hit IBF or DRW. If you're still taking heavy damage, hit another CD. You have so many it'd be stupid to not use them, and you'd die without them. VB, DRW, IBF, LB+DC, RD+DP, ERW, AMS, and to a lesser extend BT and RT, should be used on a regular basis. They're there, and if at the end of the fight you haven't pressed them then you've put unnecessary pressure on your healer.
Death strike as much as possible. Staying alive is all that matters. It's your job, do it well. Rune strike procs runic empowerment, which gives you more runes, which gives you more death strikes. Blood tap gives you more runes for more death strikes.
Put some effort into learning your class. I don't know everything about tanking, and even if I did I'd miss something. Gem and enchant all your gear, prioritizing mastery, etc. Gear isn't everything, but it matters more as a tank than it does for dps. The EJ thread might teach you a few things, but I'm pretty sure it's not as great as the dps ones. I find out just as much from the replies as I do from the original post, so you might want to check out those.
I'd definitely recommend learning to tank in regular dungeons, it's pretty simple when you get used to it. Just spamming death strike, as you've probably realized from my post.
I'd be happy to answer any questions. It should not be hard tanking dungeons or heroics (when/if you have the gear), especially with the +15% healing and hp buff. Death strike double dips into that (if it's relying on the baseline hp portion), and with proper cooldown management and a knowledge of the fights it shouldn't be hard at all.
Guides can only help but so much. Eventually you need to just go for it and try it out.
I'd suggest going in normals and/or going with guild mates that will be patient as you learn. It's going to take some time to adjust to it initially, but then it gets significantly easier.
Britney has given you some sound advice; try it out. Come back and let us know about any other problems after you do and we'll see what we can do.
lulz tanking r hard.
My guild is trying to put together a second raid group, and we're a little full on melee dps, so I was thinking of maybe trying out for the tanking role. Problem is, I've never tanked on a Death Knight. I love my frosty here, but I was thinking that at the very least I should give DK tanking a shot before trying to beg my way into having a spot for this girl.
However, the fact that I'm already 85 is highly intimidating. I know many people at this level will be wanting to go into pugs (even normal) wanting a tank who knows what s/he is doing. Is it even worth attempting at this level? I already talented my way into the Blood spec, and I'm still kind of looking around for tanking gear that would be appropriate to start out with, but I'm not even sure if the agony of being THAT newbie tank would be worth it or not.
Would it be a better idea to make an alt DK on another server and try out tanking that way? But then, how many levels would I have to level before I have a good feel of lvl 85 tanking? If I have to get all the way to lvl 85, it seems like I should just dive in headfirst with trying this out, right?
Sigh. I don't know. I need some advice. Anybody else ever made the plunge at end game level?
It's not too hard. I recently taught myself how to tank, so here's a little info on how it's been for me. I tank full 359/372 DPS gear, which has probably the same avoidance as entry-level raid gear. Overall, I found it a lot more difficult than my paladin because we have to choose between survivability (death strike) and threat (blood boil, heart strike, etc). Paladins, however, have their mastery 100% of the time even if they're AFK. As a paladin, you'll be mitigating at almost your highest potential even when you're not pressing any buttons. As a DK, if you stop death striking you are dead.
A few tips I have that help me stay alive:
I'd definitely recommend learning to tank in regular dungeons, it's pretty simple when you get used to it. Just spamming death strike, as you've probably realized from my post.
I'd be happy to answer any questions. It should not be hard tanking dungeons or heroics (when/if you have the gear), especially with the +15% healing and hp buff. Death strike double dips into that (if it's relying on the baseline hp portion), and with proper cooldown management and a knowledge of the fights it shouldn't be hard at all.
Guides can only help but so much. Eventually you need to just go for it and try it out.
I'd suggest going in normals and/or going with guild mates that will be patient as you learn. It's going to take some time to adjust to it initially, but then it gets significantly easier.
Britney has given you some sound advice; try it out. Come back and let us know about any other problems after you do and we'll see what we can do.
lulz tanking r hard.
4.1 Frost with Unholy Presence?
Well, after using unholy pre 4.1 and now using frost full time. My question is, do you all spend talent points in improved frost presence? I've heard, go in unholy presence while being spec'd frost. The reason why i'am asking this is because i was doing 2s with a Pally in my guild and he QQ'd and raged that i didn't spend points in improved frost presence and I was in unholy presence.
No... god no especially not for PvP where Chillbains is a must. IFP is TERRIBLE if you're not in Frost Presence plain and simple.
You want to be in UH Presence and you don't need Imp Frost Pres.
ie. Tell the pally he is an idiot.
And 10 seconds too slow :(
Also, unless you find that you are being attacked often I would take points out of Blade Barrier and put them into Butchery & Scent of Blood. You don't really need the damage reduction for 2s especially because the other team will generally focus your healer (as that appears to be what you are running).
No... god no especially not for PvP where Chillbains is a must. IFP is TERRIBLE if you're not in Frost Presence plain and simple.
You want to be in UH Presence and you don't need Imp Frost Pres.
ie. Tell the pally he is an idiot.
And 10 seconds too slow :(
Also, unless you find that you are being attacked often I would take points out of Blade Barrier and put them into Butchery & Scent of Blood. You don't really need the damage reduction for 2s especially because the other team will generally focus your healer (as that appears to be what you are running).
Blood boil animation
Who stole my awesome animation and left me with this crappy new one?
Bring back my exploding blood sphere please!
/signed
no reason to make our blood boil look like the shout everyone else uses, it's not a shout...
the animation from the last patch was awesome.
Know the funny thing about the new animation of Blood Boil?
Hammer of the Righteous does the exact same thing.
they did it to fix the targeting bug :(
The 4.0.1 Blood Boil animation was complete overkill. It had to be changed.
insect swarm is overkill... 4.0.1 bb animation wasn't that bad.
Just bring back the original animation from the early days
yes please.
I have to agree , this one is just...meh. Call it something else at least like dark wave or something. There doesnt seem to be any BLOOD in blood boil anymore.
I would also like to add that the common animation and sound effects into certain skills wasn't really necessary.
Rune Strike and Crusader Strike givin' off a Mangle sound is just terrible.
seriously, give me a toned down version of the previous animation at the very least
As cool as the graphic was, it did tend to get a bit annoying after a while due to it's visual obstruction.
I'm guessing that's why they changed it.
/signed
The deathknights have spoken
I MISS U BLOOD BOIL!
Signed. /cry
And why... Why is it yellow? Is boiled blood yellow?
I felt pretty offended when I saw the shockwave instead of the huge blood sphere. Here's hoping they fix the bug and give it back.
Visual obstruction? I cast it once every 30 seconds or so and it pops for a split second, and have you seen the aoe/eye candy/seizure-inducing orgy that casters do in ICC?
Ours is(was) very humble by comparison.
if blood boil was a "visual obstruction" .. what can ring of frost from mages, be called ?
just youtube it ..
Bring back my exploding blood sphere please!
/signed
no reason to make our blood boil look like the shout everyone else uses, it's not a shout...
the animation from the last patch was awesome.
Know the funny thing about the new animation of Blood Boil?
Hammer of the Righteous does the exact same thing.
they did it to fix the targeting bug :(
The 4.0.1 Blood Boil animation was complete overkill. It had to be changed.
insect swarm is overkill... 4.0.1 bb animation wasn't that bad.
Just bring back the original animation from the early days
Who stole my awesome animation and left me with this crappy new one?
Bring back my exploding blood sphere please!
yes please.
I have to agree , this one is just...meh. Call it something else at least like dark wave or something. There doesnt seem to be any BLOOD in blood boil anymore.
I would also like to add that the common animation and sound effects into certain skills wasn't really necessary.
Rune Strike and Crusader Strike givin' off a Mangle sound is just terrible.
seriously, give me a toned down version of the previous animation at the very least
As cool as the graphic was, it did tend to get a bit annoying after a while due to it's visual obstruction.
I'm guessing that's why they changed it.
/signed
The deathknights have spoken
I MISS U BLOOD BOIL!
Signed. /cry
And why... Why is it yellow? Is boiled blood yellow?
I felt pretty offended when I saw the shockwave instead of the huge blood sphere. Here's hoping they fix the bug and give it back.
As cool as the graphic was, it did tend to get a bit annoying after a while due to it's visual obstruction.
I'm guessing that's why they changed it.
Visual obstruction? I cast it once every 30 seconds or so and it pops for a split second, and have you seen the aoe/eye candy/seizure-inducing orgy that casters do in ICC?
Ours is(was) very humble by comparison.
if blood boil was a "visual obstruction" .. what can ring of frost from mages, be called ?
just youtube it ..
Just bring back the original animation from the early days
DK Rune bug
No not the good one. I'm talking about the one where none of your spells recognize blood runes because when you switch specs from frost, the blood runes are still Death Runes. It's kinda annoying not being able to use Death Strike in situations.
Yea this one is driving me nuts, even after I reloadui I still have issues.
Yea.. I noticed this when I swapped specs for V&T, though if you just watch your runes themselves it's really not a problem.
Yea this one is driving me nuts, even after I reloadui I still have issues.
Yea.. I noticed this when I swapped specs for V&T, though if you just watch your runes themselves it's really not a problem.
pillar of frost / cancel aura question
Does glyphed pillar work if already under cc?
bump this, NEED TO KNO!
Go test it out?
I'm not sure, I don't use the glyphed pillar. I rarely use the pillar at all.
You really should use it every chance you get.
As for the glyph question, I have no idea having never used it before.
bump this, NEED TO KNO!
Go test it out?
I'm not sure, I don't use the glyphed pillar. I rarely use the pillar at all.
Go test it out?
I'm not sure, I don't use the glyphed pillar. I rarely use the pillar at all.
You really should use it every chance you get.
As for the glyph question, I have no idea having never used it before.
Frost 4.1
Facerollol
You do realize that Frost hasn't actually changed all that much right? The only reason anyone is saying anything is because all you FOTM rollers are playing Frost because of Blood of the North.
its changed a lot more then you think! DKs are king of the hill now and will remain that way for quite some time, if you disagree with me then it shows how low of an iq you have and should just quit plyaing now cause you suck at this game kkthxbai
we're still quite near the bottom in dps meters in pve lol
You do realize that Frost hasn't actually changed all that much right? The only reason anyone is saying anything is because all you FOTM rollers are playing Frost because of Blood of the North.
its changed a lot more then you think! DKs are king of the hill now and will remain that way for quite some time, if you disagree with me then it shows how low of an iq you have and should just quit plyaing now cause you suck at this game kkthxbai
we're still quite near the bottom in dps meters in pve lol
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