i need help i am looking for a pve frost spec and how to reforge also
http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t121704-frost_dps_4_1_way_we_get/
Saturday, April 21, 2012
Trying Blood Tanking - at 85?
Hey all!
My guild is trying to put together a second raid group, and we're a little full on melee dps, so I was thinking of maybe trying out for the tanking role. Problem is, I've never tanked on a Death Knight. I love my frosty here, but I was thinking that at the very least I should give DK tanking a shot before trying to beg my way into having a spot for this girl.
However, the fact that I'm already 85 is highly intimidating. I know many people at this level will be wanting to go into pugs (even normal) wanting a tank who knows what s/he is doing. Is it even worth attempting at this level? I already talented my way into the Blood spec, and I'm still kind of looking around for tanking gear that would be appropriate to start out with, but I'm not even sure if the agony of being THAT newbie tank would be worth it or not.
Would it be a better idea to make an alt DK on another server and try out tanking that way? But then, how many levels would I have to level before I have a good feel of lvl 85 tanking? If I have to get all the way to lvl 85, it seems like I should just dive in headfirst with trying this out, right?
Sigh. I don't know. I need some advice. Anybody else ever made the plunge at end game level?
It's not too hard. I recently taught myself how to tank, so here's a little info on how it's been for me. I tank full 359/372 DPS gear, which has probably the same avoidance as entry-level raid gear. Overall, I found it a lot more difficult than my paladin because we have to choose between survivability (death strike) and threat (blood boil, heart strike, etc). Paladins, however, have their mastery 100% of the time even if they're AFK. As a paladin, you'll be mitigating at almost your highest potential even when you're not pressing any buttons. As a DK, if you stop death striking you are dead.
A few tips I have that help me stay alive:
Threat does not matter. With DRW and the glyph (which I don't use but you should), you won't be losing aggro unless you just stand there not pressing buttons or your DPS is stupid.
Don't waste runes on heart strike. Your threat will be fine, and you'll want to stay alive. Death runes should go to death strike, frost and unholy should go to death strike, and blood should go to rune tap, then I guess heart strike, and then blood tap for more death runes for death strike.
Use cooldowns. I'm pretty sure you have more than every other class. "But what about emergencies!!!" you say? If you hit cooldowns, you won't have an emergency. In a heroic, if you're about to pull a big group without enough CC, hit IBF or DRW. If you're still taking heavy damage, hit another CD. You have so many it'd be stupid to not use them, and you'd die without them. VB, DRW, IBF, LB+DC, RD+DP, ERW, AMS, and to a lesser extend BT and RT, should be used on a regular basis. They're there, and if at the end of the fight you haven't pressed them then you've put unnecessary pressure on your healer.
Death strike as much as possible. Staying alive is all that matters. It's your job, do it well. Rune strike procs runic empowerment, which gives you more runes, which gives you more death strikes. Blood tap gives you more runes for more death strikes.
Put some effort into learning your class. I don't know everything about tanking, and even if I did I'd miss something. Gem and enchant all your gear, prioritizing mastery, etc. Gear isn't everything, but it matters more as a tank than it does for dps. The EJ thread might teach you a few things, but I'm pretty sure it's not as great as the dps ones. I find out just as much from the replies as I do from the original post, so you might want to check out those.
I'd definitely recommend learning to tank in regular dungeons, it's pretty simple when you get used to it. Just spamming death strike, as you've probably realized from my post.
I'd be happy to answer any questions. It should not be hard tanking dungeons or heroics (when/if you have the gear), especially with the +15% healing and hp buff. Death strike double dips into that (if it's relying on the baseline hp portion), and with proper cooldown management and a knowledge of the fights it shouldn't be hard at all.
Guides can only help but so much. Eventually you need to just go for it and try it out.
I'd suggest going in normals and/or going with guild mates that will be patient as you learn. It's going to take some time to adjust to it initially, but then it gets significantly easier.
Britney has given you some sound advice; try it out. Come back and let us know about any other problems after you do and we'll see what we can do.
lulz tanking r hard.
My guild is trying to put together a second raid group, and we're a little full on melee dps, so I was thinking of maybe trying out for the tanking role. Problem is, I've never tanked on a Death Knight. I love my frosty here, but I was thinking that at the very least I should give DK tanking a shot before trying to beg my way into having a spot for this girl.
However, the fact that I'm already 85 is highly intimidating. I know many people at this level will be wanting to go into pugs (even normal) wanting a tank who knows what s/he is doing. Is it even worth attempting at this level? I already talented my way into the Blood spec, and I'm still kind of looking around for tanking gear that would be appropriate to start out with, but I'm not even sure if the agony of being THAT newbie tank would be worth it or not.
Would it be a better idea to make an alt DK on another server and try out tanking that way? But then, how many levels would I have to level before I have a good feel of lvl 85 tanking? If I have to get all the way to lvl 85, it seems like I should just dive in headfirst with trying this out, right?
Sigh. I don't know. I need some advice. Anybody else ever made the plunge at end game level?
It's not too hard. I recently taught myself how to tank, so here's a little info on how it's been for me. I tank full 359/372 DPS gear, which has probably the same avoidance as entry-level raid gear. Overall, I found it a lot more difficult than my paladin because we have to choose between survivability (death strike) and threat (blood boil, heart strike, etc). Paladins, however, have their mastery 100% of the time even if they're AFK. As a paladin, you'll be mitigating at almost your highest potential even when you're not pressing any buttons. As a DK, if you stop death striking you are dead.
A few tips I have that help me stay alive:
I'd definitely recommend learning to tank in regular dungeons, it's pretty simple when you get used to it. Just spamming death strike, as you've probably realized from my post.
I'd be happy to answer any questions. It should not be hard tanking dungeons or heroics (when/if you have the gear), especially with the +15% healing and hp buff. Death strike double dips into that (if it's relying on the baseline hp portion), and with proper cooldown management and a knowledge of the fights it shouldn't be hard at all.
Guides can only help but so much. Eventually you need to just go for it and try it out.
I'd suggest going in normals and/or going with guild mates that will be patient as you learn. It's going to take some time to adjust to it initially, but then it gets significantly easier.
Britney has given you some sound advice; try it out. Come back and let us know about any other problems after you do and we'll see what we can do.
lulz tanking r hard.
4.1 Frost with Unholy Presence?
Well, after using unholy pre 4.1 and now using frost full time. My question is, do you all spend talent points in improved frost presence? I've heard, go in unholy presence while being spec'd frost. The reason why i'am asking this is because i was doing 2s with a Pally in my guild and he QQ'd and raged that i didn't spend points in improved frost presence and I was in unholy presence.
No... god no especially not for PvP where Chillbains is a must. IFP is TERRIBLE if you're not in Frost Presence plain and simple.
You want to be in UH Presence and you don't need Imp Frost Pres.
ie. Tell the pally he is an idiot.
And 10 seconds too slow :(
Also, unless you find that you are being attacked often I would take points out of Blade Barrier and put them into Butchery & Scent of Blood. You don't really need the damage reduction for 2s especially because the other team will generally focus your healer (as that appears to be what you are running).
No... god no especially not for PvP where Chillbains is a must. IFP is TERRIBLE if you're not in Frost Presence plain and simple.
You want to be in UH Presence and you don't need Imp Frost Pres.
ie. Tell the pally he is an idiot.
And 10 seconds too slow :(
Also, unless you find that you are being attacked often I would take points out of Blade Barrier and put them into Butchery & Scent of Blood. You don't really need the damage reduction for 2s especially because the other team will generally focus your healer (as that appears to be what you are running).
Blood boil animation
Who stole my awesome animation and left me with this crappy new one?
Bring back my exploding blood sphere please!
/signed
no reason to make our blood boil look like the shout everyone else uses, it's not a shout...
the animation from the last patch was awesome.
Know the funny thing about the new animation of Blood Boil?
Hammer of the Righteous does the exact same thing.
they did it to fix the targeting bug :(
The 4.0.1 Blood Boil animation was complete overkill. It had to be changed.
insect swarm is overkill... 4.0.1 bb animation wasn't that bad.
Just bring back the original animation from the early days
yes please.
I have to agree , this one is just...meh. Call it something else at least like dark wave or something. There doesnt seem to be any BLOOD in blood boil anymore.
I would also like to add that the common animation and sound effects into certain skills wasn't really necessary.
Rune Strike and Crusader Strike givin' off a Mangle sound is just terrible.
seriously, give me a toned down version of the previous animation at the very least
As cool as the graphic was, it did tend to get a bit annoying after a while due to it's visual obstruction.
I'm guessing that's why they changed it.
/signed
The deathknights have spoken
I MISS U BLOOD BOIL!
Signed. /cry
And why... Why is it yellow? Is boiled blood yellow?
I felt pretty offended when I saw the shockwave instead of the huge blood sphere. Here's hoping they fix the bug and give it back.
Visual obstruction? I cast it once every 30 seconds or so and it pops for a split second, and have you seen the aoe/eye candy/seizure-inducing orgy that casters do in ICC?
Ours is(was) very humble by comparison.
if blood boil was a "visual obstruction" .. what can ring of frost from mages, be called ?
just youtube it ..
Bring back my exploding blood sphere please!
/signed
no reason to make our blood boil look like the shout everyone else uses, it's not a shout...
the animation from the last patch was awesome.
Know the funny thing about the new animation of Blood Boil?
Hammer of the Righteous does the exact same thing.
they did it to fix the targeting bug :(
The 4.0.1 Blood Boil animation was complete overkill. It had to be changed.
insect swarm is overkill... 4.0.1 bb animation wasn't that bad.
Just bring back the original animation from the early days
Who stole my awesome animation and left me with this crappy new one?
Bring back my exploding blood sphere please!
yes please.
I have to agree , this one is just...meh. Call it something else at least like dark wave or something. There doesnt seem to be any BLOOD in blood boil anymore.
I would also like to add that the common animation and sound effects into certain skills wasn't really necessary.
Rune Strike and Crusader Strike givin' off a Mangle sound is just terrible.
seriously, give me a toned down version of the previous animation at the very least
As cool as the graphic was, it did tend to get a bit annoying after a while due to it's visual obstruction.
I'm guessing that's why they changed it.
/signed
The deathknights have spoken
I MISS U BLOOD BOIL!
Signed. /cry
And why... Why is it yellow? Is boiled blood yellow?
I felt pretty offended when I saw the shockwave instead of the huge blood sphere. Here's hoping they fix the bug and give it back.
As cool as the graphic was, it did tend to get a bit annoying after a while due to it's visual obstruction.
I'm guessing that's why they changed it.
Visual obstruction? I cast it once every 30 seconds or so and it pops for a split second, and have you seen the aoe/eye candy/seizure-inducing orgy that casters do in ICC?
Ours is(was) very humble by comparison.
if blood boil was a "visual obstruction" .. what can ring of frost from mages, be called ?
just youtube it ..
Just bring back the original animation from the early days
DK Rune bug
No not the good one. I'm talking about the one where none of your spells recognize blood runes because when you switch specs from frost, the blood runes are still Death Runes. It's kinda annoying not being able to use Death Strike in situations.
Yea this one is driving me nuts, even after I reloadui I still have issues.
Yea.. I noticed this when I swapped specs for V&T, though if you just watch your runes themselves it's really not a problem.
Yea this one is driving me nuts, even after I reloadui I still have issues.
Yea.. I noticed this when I swapped specs for V&T, though if you just watch your runes themselves it's really not a problem.
pillar of frost / cancel aura question
Does glyphed pillar work if already under cc?
bump this, NEED TO KNO!
Go test it out?
I'm not sure, I don't use the glyphed pillar. I rarely use the pillar at all.
You really should use it every chance you get.
As for the glyph question, I have no idea having never used it before.
bump this, NEED TO KNO!
Go test it out?
I'm not sure, I don't use the glyphed pillar. I rarely use the pillar at all.
Go test it out?
I'm not sure, I don't use the glyphed pillar. I rarely use the pillar at all.
You really should use it every chance you get.
As for the glyph question, I have no idea having never used it before.
Frost 4.1
Facerollol
You do realize that Frost hasn't actually changed all that much right? The only reason anyone is saying anything is because all you FOTM rollers are playing Frost because of Blood of the North.
its changed a lot more then you think! DKs are king of the hill now and will remain that way for quite some time, if you disagree with me then it shows how low of an iq you have and should just quit plyaing now cause you suck at this game kkthxbai
we're still quite near the bottom in dps meters in pve lol
You do realize that Frost hasn't actually changed all that much right? The only reason anyone is saying anything is because all you FOTM rollers are playing Frost because of Blood of the North.
its changed a lot more then you think! DKs are king of the hill now and will remain that way for quite some time, if you disagree with me then it shows how low of an iq you have and should just quit plyaing now cause you suck at this game kkthxbai
we're still quite near the bottom in dps meters in pve lol
Frost PvP
I'm a little confused about how/when to Obliterate. I always try to Obliterate when KM is up and only FrS if all my runes are down, but do I Obliterate outside of that? or only on certain situations, like on cloth but not plate.
Obliterate whenever you wanna hit like a truck? Anytime you have runes for it? Whenever you are in melee range? Its your hardest hitting attack, use it accordingly.
i typically save obliterates for any armor value less than plate. you should be HBing any plate class and NSing accordingly.
Obliterate whenever you wanna hit like a truck? Anytime you have runes for it? Whenever you are in melee range? Its your hardest hitting attack, use it accordingly.
i typically save obliterates for any armor value less than plate. you should be HBing any plate class and NSing accordingly.
Getting rep with factions
Trying to work on getting my reps exhalted. This has probably been asked before but are you able to do the low level quests to get exhalted in Stormwind? Do you get the full rep for that faction by? Just asking as i thought this might be the easiest way in doing so. wasnt sure if it was possible being a level 85.
I found rep tabards to be faster and they worked while I was already farming for gear.
Yes, you get the same rep at any level unless they have changed it since 4.0.
I found rep tabards to be faster and they worked while I was already farming for gear.
Yes, you get the same rep at any level unless they have changed it since 4.0.
Troll DK Question
So... Da Voodoo Shuffle:
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=58943
Does this stack with On a Pale Horse (for frost pvp ofc)? If it does stack, is it worth it to take some points out of Rime for it since Frost is pretty susceptible to kiting?
Thanks.
I don't believe it stacks.
Regardless, I'm almost certain that most dks take it for movement speed in BGs/world.
Thanks for the response.
Any other input before I decide to just bypass the talent?
I'm pretty sure it stacks, but it won't help much. Snares are reapplied so frequently that it won't make much of a difference. What class do you plan on not being kited by? Mages and many other classes use roots, hunters use roots, permanent snares, and disengage...
^
They stack, but snares in general are spammable, and so they are.
Well, see, I hardly ever run into an issue with runes being on cd as frost with all the haste we have, so rime isn't very useful to me. So if OaPH stacks with Da Voodoo Shuffle, I'm thinking I might as well just put points into that instead to help with frost's lack of mobility.
Thoughts?
still thinking
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=58943
Does this stack with On a Pale Horse (for frost pvp ofc)? If it does stack, is it worth it to take some points out of Rime for it since Frost is pretty susceptible to kiting?
Thanks.
I don't believe it stacks.
Regardless, I'm almost certain that most dks take it for movement speed in BGs/world.
Thanks for the response.
Any other input before I decide to just bypass the talent?
I'm pretty sure it stacks, but it won't help much. Snares are reapplied so frequently that it won't make much of a difference. What class do you plan on not being kited by? Mages and many other classes use roots, hunters use roots, permanent snares, and disengage...
^
They stack, but snares in general are spammable, and so they are.
Well, see, I hardly ever run into an issue with runes being on cd as frost with all the haste we have, so rime isn't very useful to me. So if OaPH stacks with Da Voodoo Shuffle, I'm thinking I might as well just put points into that instead to help with frost's lack of mobility.
Thoughts?
still thinking
How long until...
... the changes to frost are reverted or changed again?
Damage output is pretty nice in raids. I was unholy, made the switch, and won't go back unless something changes. Only thing I am missing is some expertise gear, so I had to reforge for expertise on all of my gear. Not really what I wanted to do, but yea.
Just wondering who else made the switch and who agrees that it will probably get nerfed a bit?
It's fine, only possible reason we will get hit with teh nerfbat is PvP hypebole.
Why would you make this thread...
ZA/ZG loot has plenty of expertise
expect ninja hotfix nerfs that will make us crap again. dks doing well at anything is always short lived
Damage output is pretty nice in raids. I was unholy, made the switch, and won't go back unless something changes. Only thing I am missing is some expertise gear, so I had to reforge for expertise on all of my gear. Not really what I wanted to do, but yea.
Just wondering who else made the switch and who agrees that it will probably get nerfed a bit?
It's fine, only possible reason we will get hit with teh nerfbat is PvP hypebole.
Why would you make this thread...
ZA/ZG loot has plenty of expertise
expect ninja hotfix nerfs that will make us crap again. dks doing well at anything is always short lived
If i were to make a DK
if i were to make a dk what spec should i choose
I'd go Blood for leveling. Decent self heals so you can keep a good flow going with little to no downtime. Plus it's the tank spec so if you are in to that sort of thing, you can tank dungeons with insta-queue's. If not, dual spec and grab unholy to DPS them.
^
I have a blood/unholy dual spec for levelling.....Blood is excellent for survivability and Unholy has good utility even at initial levels. I found frost too bursty at lower levels but haven't tried it since 4.1 buffs and with dark succour. Also with frost you dont get your main strike till around lvl69 (HB- the 31st talent point).
I personally leveled as blood/unholy. Just now am i discovering the wonders of frost.
Blood has the best survivability and the insta tank ques. Did group quests and such with it. I also used blood, when i first hit 80 and went to cata areas. Those starting mobs do hit hard with the initial gear you go into cata areas so blood shines there.
I'd go Blood for leveling. Decent self heals so you can keep a good flow going with little to no downtime. Plus it's the tank spec so if you are in to that sort of thing, you can tank dungeons with insta-queue's. If not, dual spec and grab unholy to DPS them.
^
I have a blood/unholy dual spec for levelling.....Blood is excellent for survivability and Unholy has good utility even at initial levels. I found frost too bursty at lower levels but haven't tried it since 4.1 buffs and with dark succour. Also with frost you dont get your main strike till around lvl69 (HB- the 31st talent point).
I personally leveled as blood/unholy. Just now am i discovering the wonders of frost.
Blood has the best survivability and the insta tank ques. Did group quests and such with it. I also used blood, when i first hit 80 and went to cata areas. Those starting mobs do hit hard with the initial gear you go into cata areas so blood shines there.
Macro Help
when 4.1 hit alot of my simple macros stopped working, such as these two.
/cast Raise Dead
/cast Death Pact
I would just mash the macro to until my pet was sac'd. but now, it will cast raise dead but wont cast death pact on continued mashing.
/cast Outbreak
/cast Icy Touch
This was my opener macro, and would cast outbreak when it was off cooldown, otherwise it would just cast icy touch. now all it does is cast outbreak when its off cooldown, but wont cast icy touch at all.
These 2 are just an example, as i have multiple simple macros like these across my characters that have stopped working.
How do i need to change macros such as these to get them working again?
/castsequence [reset=60] Raise Dead, Death Pact
/castsequence [reset=59] Outbreak, Icy Touch
I don't know if the 2nd macro will actually continue to cast Icy Touch more than once, but if it doesn't, just add more Icy Touch's after the last one.
ah i see, thank you.
another question has struck me. does the macro reset 59 seconds after its pressed for the first time, or does it reset 59 seconds after it was last pressed.
After it was last pressed, apparently.
Try a smaller number and see how that works for you.
edit: Alternatively, just use a modifier on the macro to cast one of the spells.
ok, thanks.
the way i have my keybinds set, kind of prevents me from using certain modifiers.
1 2 3 4 5 q e r f
Alt+1 Alt+2 Alt+3 Alt+4 Alt+5 Alt+q Alt+e Alt+r Alt+f
Shift+1 Shift+2 Shift+3 Shift+4 Shift+5 Shift+q Shift+e Shift+r Shift+f
AltShift+1 AltShift+2 AltShift+3 AltShift+4 AltShift+5 AltShift+q AltShift+e AltShift+r AltShift+f
and CTRL is saved for pet abilities.
so say i have an alt modifier macro on button 1, and i press alt+1 instead of the game pressing one and using the alt modifier in the macro, it presses my alt+1 key instead.
but thats a personal issue i have.
Thank you for the help.
I ran into the same problem when trying to assign modifiers. The way I worked around this is try to make as many buttons as possible stay in the same spot (Death Grip for example was Shift+3). so I added an alt modifier and made shiftAlt+3 my focus death grip.
don't forget about g by the way :P Another way to work around this is to just buy a naga :P I'm ordering one here soon
/cast Raise Dead
/cast Death Pact
I would just mash the macro to until my pet was sac'd. but now, it will cast raise dead but wont cast death pact on continued mashing.
/cast Outbreak
/cast Icy Touch
This was my opener macro, and would cast outbreak when it was off cooldown, otherwise it would just cast icy touch. now all it does is cast outbreak when its off cooldown, but wont cast icy touch at all.
These 2 are just an example, as i have multiple simple macros like these across my characters that have stopped working.
How do i need to change macros such as these to get them working again?
/castsequence [reset=60] Raise Dead, Death Pact
/castsequence [reset=59] Outbreak, Icy Touch
I don't know if the 2nd macro will actually continue to cast Icy Touch more than once, but if it doesn't, just add more Icy Touch's after the last one.
ah i see, thank you.
another question has struck me. does the macro reset 59 seconds after its pressed for the first time, or does it reset 59 seconds after it was last pressed.
After it was last pressed, apparently.
Try a smaller number and see how that works for you.
edit: Alternatively, just use a modifier on the macro to cast one of the spells.
ok, thanks.
the way i have my keybinds set, kind of prevents me from using certain modifiers.
1 2 3 4 5 q e r f
Alt+1 Alt+2 Alt+3 Alt+4 Alt+5 Alt+q Alt+e Alt+r Alt+f
Shift+1 Shift+2 Shift+3 Shift+4 Shift+5 Shift+q Shift+e Shift+r Shift+f
AltShift+1 AltShift+2 AltShift+3 AltShift+4 AltShift+5 AltShift+q AltShift+e AltShift+r AltShift+f
and CTRL is saved for pet abilities.
so say i have an alt modifier macro on button 1, and i press alt+1 instead of the game pressing one and using the alt modifier in the macro, it presses my alt+1 key instead.
but thats a personal issue i have.
Thank you for the help.
I ran into the same problem when trying to assign modifiers. The way I worked around this is try to make as many buttons as possible stay in the same spot (Death Grip for example was Shift+3). so I added an alt modifier and made shiftAlt+3 my focus death grip.
don't forget about g by the way :P Another way to work around this is to just buy a naga :P I'm ordering one here soon
What VP pieces to get for dw frost?
After doing my final heroic for the week I'll be at 3080 VP and was wondering what pieces would be best to get?
Thanks
Trinket IMO, License to Slay is awesome.
my first VP purchase was the tier 11 chest because i already had the legs from BH and i felt the 2pc would be the strongest upgrade.
License to Slay tho is a very powerful trinket and is currently next on my to get list.
First thing I got was my Tier 11 legs, everyone seemed to think working towards my 4set would be the biggest upgrade possible. Next on my list is going to be the gloves and then the trinket, followed by my chest (already have BoE chest, but saves on a drop)
Another vote for Licence to Slay, its BiS right now for frost Dk's
it's like 4th best in slot, but still. definitely the trinket first. only better ones are hurricane for DW and heroic heart of rage/heroic crushing weight.
Thanks
Trinket IMO, License to Slay is awesome.
my first VP purchase was the tier 11 chest because i already had the legs from BH and i felt the 2pc would be the strongest upgrade.
License to Slay tho is a very powerful trinket and is currently next on my to get list.
First thing I got was my Tier 11 legs, everyone seemed to think working towards my 4set would be the biggest upgrade possible. Next on my list is going to be the gloves and then the trinket, followed by my chest (already have BoE chest, but saves on a drop)
Another vote for Licence to Slay, its BiS right now for frost Dk's
it's like 4th best in slot, but still. definitely the trinket first. only better ones are hurricane for DW and heroic heart of rage/heroic crushing weight.
DK fastest possible flying?
Will 310% flying stack w/ pale horse and the guild +10% mount speed bonus? And What %boost will the end result be?
I think so.
Nex is correct. Pale horse doesn't stack with other movement buffs, says so in the talent.
whats the total end result speed though? 330% or 372%?
100% (walking speed) + 310% (max flight speed) = 410% + 20% (OaPH) = 492%
392% w/ on a pale horse if you have a 310 mount.
It's 492%.
most people don't add in 100% run speed since it's a given. you'll see 392 constantly posted everywhere as it's in terms of how much extra your mount is making you move.
Press C and look at your "general" stats while flying and it shows your speed
310%+Pale Horse= 492% which ties them with Paladins for the fastest thing in the skies of Azeroth.
492% flight speed with on a pale horse. No other speed buff stacks with it.
495%, just like paladins.
I think so.
Nex is correct. Pale horse doesn't stack with other movement buffs, says so in the talent.
whats the total end result speed though? 330% or 372%?
100% (walking speed) + 310% (max flight speed) = 410% + 20% (OaPH) = 492%
392% w/ on a pale horse if you have a 310 mount.
It's 492%.
most people don't add in 100% run speed since it's a given. you'll see 392 constantly posted everywhere as it's in terms of how much extra your mount is making you move.
Press C and look at your "general" stats while flying and it shows your speed
310%+Pale Horse= 492% which ties them with Paladins for the fastest thing in the skies of Azeroth.
492% flight speed with on a pale horse. No other speed buff stacks with it.
495%, just like paladins.
Stealth nerf
I don't mind it too much, but I'm absolutely positive that we have received a stealth nerf. Unless somehow my damage just magically dropped 2-3k with extra kings on...
The only thing that bugs me is that it's not documented so I almost stayed this obsolete spec (no obliterate spec).
there was no stealth nerf, your just imagining things.
I really am sure they have, I've been playing this spec exactly the same for the passed week and I randomly take a 2-3k damage dive.
I was agreeing that it was a bit powerful, and it definitely it toned down perfectly, I just wish it wasn't a secret.
Or I could just be wrong and randomly my dps dropped exactly 3k for no reason at all and with CDs I have trouble breaking 11k (pvp spec).
I don't know if it would account for this much, but it could quite possibly be caused by the changes to resilience ...
You're trying to DPS in Frost Presence aren't you.....
yep got 1800 in my gear with frost presence.
Howling blast and frost strike truthfully feel like they are hitting lighter, but I'm probably wrong since I recently specced a little differently.
The only thing that bugs me is that it's not documented so I almost stayed this obsolete spec (no obliterate spec).
there was no stealth nerf, your just imagining things.
I really am sure they have, I've been playing this spec exactly the same for the passed week and I randomly take a 2-3k damage dive.
I was agreeing that it was a bit powerful, and it definitely it toned down perfectly, I just wish it wasn't a secret.
Or I could just be wrong and randomly my dps dropped exactly 3k for no reason at all and with CDs I have trouble breaking 11k (pvp spec).
I don't know if it would account for this much, but it could quite possibly be caused by the changes to resilience ...
You're trying to DPS in Frost Presence aren't you.....
yep got 1800 in my gear with frost presence.
Howling blast and frost strike truthfully feel like they are hitting lighter, but I'm probably wrong since I recently specced a little differently.
Little help
I dread to ask on the forums, but alas I will anyway. Ignore the reforges and such as I can always rework them, but I am trying to figure out which t11 piece to buy first. With what I have now, which do you think would be best to get first between the ones I can actually buy with valor?
Get the chest first imo, with a little luck you can always get gloves and legs from BH to drop.
Get the chest first imo, with a little luck you can always get gloves and legs from BH to drop.
Death Knight - Class Review
Greetings, I recently moved to the US from Europe and therefore had to get a new WoW Account on the US realms due to lack of region transfers. After playing a druid and a shaman, for more than 5 years, I have decided I want to reroll.
I'm sure you will all answer differently, but please refrain from telling me to test out each class before I go on, because as it is, you cant tell much about a class from the first levels.
Now, on to the questions:
1) Which spec do you play for PvP and which for PvE?
2) Do you enjoy playing a dk?
3) If you have any other class/specs that you enjoy more than playing your dk, which are they?
1.) Frost for pvp and sometimes pve. I usually tank in pve though as blood obviously. I hate Unholy with a passion ever since I first tried it in the 60s on a random DK I made. I went frost on the next DK I made that I planned on seriously leveling and fell in love with it. but I like RNG sometimes ;)
2.) I love playing my DK. people will say hero class, yadda yadda but once you get the hang of it you can achieve a high skill cap on a DK and manage cooldowns properly to victory.
3.) I enjoy my shadow priest only because I was a shadow preist back in the day and I like to solo as ranged sometimes in tb/peninsula/bgs etc. Even pre 4.1 I loved my Frost DK more in arenas than my shadow priest and if you were to compare the ratings on them it'd be clear which one I favored. if i hadnt of been stupid and leveled a mage I'd probably play the mage a little more than the priest relatively verse the DK...but I would still play my DK the most.
Hero class ftw. get some
1. Frost/Frost (I used to play Blood when it was DPS, after the change I went permafrost).
2.It's like sex but sexier.
3. Ehhhhhhh...My Enh Shammy and Laser Chicken are alright.
I'm sure you will all answer differently, but please refrain from telling me to test out each class before I go on, because as it is, you cant tell much about a class from the first levels.
Now, on to the questions:
1) Which spec do you play for PvP and which for PvE?
2) Do you enjoy playing a dk?
3) If you have any other class/specs that you enjoy more than playing your dk, which are they?
1.) Frost for pvp and sometimes pve. I usually tank in pve though as blood obviously. I hate Unholy with a passion ever since I first tried it in the 60s on a random DK I made. I went frost on the next DK I made that I planned on seriously leveling and fell in love with it. but I like RNG sometimes ;)
2.) I love playing my DK. people will say hero class, yadda yadda but once you get the hang of it you can achieve a high skill cap on a DK and manage cooldowns properly to victory.
3.) I enjoy my shadow priest only because I was a shadow preist back in the day and I like to solo as ranged sometimes in tb/peninsula/bgs etc. Even pre 4.1 I loved my Frost DK more in arenas than my shadow priest and if you were to compare the ratings on them it'd be clear which one I favored. if i hadnt of been stupid and leveled a mage I'd probably play the mage a little more than the priest relatively verse the DK...but I would still play my DK the most.
Hero class ftw. get some
1. Frost/Frost (I used to play Blood when it was DPS, after the change I went permafrost).
2.It's like sex but sexier.
3. Ehhhhhhh...My Enh Shammy and Laser Chicken are alright.
no 2h frost guide?
can we get somone to make one? i love 2h frost but im a bit lost on the stat priorities :p
or at the least could somone tell me them (my main being a hpally, for example, im avoiding mastery like the plague and dont know if i should or not)
You mean like this guide: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2353275843
Request a sticky please. You're the second person I've found today looking for this.
Both Blood Elfs too...wonder if it's a race thing. ;)
its a i dont go past the first page thing >.> thanks :D
You have a search bar, use it.
or at the least could somone tell me them (my main being a hpally, for example, im avoiding mastery like the plague and dont know if i should or not)
You mean like this guide: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2353275843
Request a sticky please. You're the second person I've found today looking for this.
Both Blood Elfs too...wonder if it's a race thing. ;)
its a i dont go past the first page thing >.> thanks :D
You have a search bar, use it.
Am I ready to tank heroics?!?!?!
Common question on the forums, now let me explain. Just taking one glance at my armor, you will notice that the majority of the equipment is DPS and is reforged for my DPS spec stat weight. I recently took to tanking some 85 reglulars for easy JP to work on my tank offset. The regulars were so faceroll it wasnt even funny, but before I start tanking heroics with my current gear... I wanted to get the community's opinion whether or not I should even attempt the heroics without getting properly geared.
All I can say is that I hope you never tank for me with that gear. At the very least you need to change your gems, enchant your gear, and reforge with tanking related stats.
"Shudder"
No, you need to do some serious work before you can really start tanking, and not just with your gear.
The very first question you should ask yourself is whether or not you are serious about Blood tanking and want to be good at it. Blood's priority system is tricky to master and use optimally, and you'll need to devote a fair bit of time to really learning how Blood works.
If you just wanted a quick queue time and a satchel of exotic mysteries, roll a protection paladin or a warrior, or better yet just stick with Unholy or Frost.
That said, if you are serious about learning Blood's many tricks and abilities, the very first thing you need to do is read.
http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t110102-blood_dk_endgame_tanking_4_x/
That is a more-or-less complete guide to raid tanking in cataclysm, along with the 3rd post on the page. There is very little difference generally between tanking a heroic and tanking Bastion of Twilight, so you'll find much of the knowledge there translates pretty smoothly across different scenarios.
Once you've read, and practiced a bit with Blood, you should be able to asnwer your own question of whether or not you are ready to tank heroics.
You'll need to change your gems to use mastery, avoidance and stamina gems, not strength. Reforge for mastery unless you need to reforge for hit/expertise or to balance dodge and parry. Using the very best enchants will provide a small but noticeable difference.
Your spec definitely isn't the very worst i've ever seen, but it's not optimal. If you aren't going to be tanking raids, you can get away with getting the Crimson Scourge talent for additional AoE threat. I would take one point out of Scent of Blood, both points out of Abomination's Might and put 2 points into Epidemic. Take those points out of unholy command, it's a useless talent, and either get lichborne or dump an extra point into Scent of Blood and get Crimson Scourge.
Thanks for the advice!
I have messed around with blood a few times, tanking regs for guildies looking for a fast queue. I am not completely sold on tanking, hence the DPS gear, str gems, lack of enchants, and extremely low avoidance. I love DKs and am familiar with blood and have a basic understanding of priorities and such. Eventually I would like to get a legitimate tank set and I will avoid putting people through the headache of having me tank heroics with my current set. I guess I just got ahead of myself after tanking regulars with no issues at all. Again, thank you for the help
All I can say is that I hope you never tank for me with that gear. At the very least you need to change your gems, enchant your gear, and reforge with tanking related stats.
"Shudder"
No, you need to do some serious work before you can really start tanking, and not just with your gear.
The very first question you should ask yourself is whether or not you are serious about Blood tanking and want to be good at it. Blood's priority system is tricky to master and use optimally, and you'll need to devote a fair bit of time to really learning how Blood works.
If you just wanted a quick queue time and a satchel of exotic mysteries, roll a protection paladin or a warrior, or better yet just stick with Unholy or Frost.
That said, if you are serious about learning Blood's many tricks and abilities, the very first thing you need to do is read.
http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t110102-blood_dk_endgame_tanking_4_x/
That is a more-or-less complete guide to raid tanking in cataclysm, along with the 3rd post on the page. There is very little difference generally between tanking a heroic and tanking Bastion of Twilight, so you'll find much of the knowledge there translates pretty smoothly across different scenarios.
Once you've read, and practiced a bit with Blood, you should be able to asnwer your own question of whether or not you are ready to tank heroics.
You'll need to change your gems to use mastery, avoidance and stamina gems, not strength. Reforge for mastery unless you need to reforge for hit/expertise or to balance dodge and parry. Using the very best enchants will provide a small but noticeable difference.
Your spec definitely isn't the very worst i've ever seen, but it's not optimal. If you aren't going to be tanking raids, you can get away with getting the Crimson Scourge talent for additional AoE threat. I would take one point out of Scent of Blood, both points out of Abomination's Might and put 2 points into Epidemic. Take those points out of unholy command, it's a useless talent, and either get lichborne or dump an extra point into Scent of Blood and get Crimson Scourge.
Thanks for the advice!
I have messed around with blood a few times, tanking regs for guildies looking for a fast queue. I am not completely sold on tanking, hence the DPS gear, str gems, lack of enchants, and extremely low avoidance. I love DKs and am familiar with blood and have a basic understanding of priorities and such. Eventually I would like to get a legitimate tank set and I will avoid putting people through the headache of having me tank heroics with my current set. I guess I just got ahead of myself after tanking regulars with no issues at all. Again, thank you for the help
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